Why Publish God and the Gay Christian?

God and the Gay Christian by Matthew VinesWhy Publish God and the Gay Christian?

The April 22 publication by the Convergent Books imprint of God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vines has raised some questions and concerns within our community.  As the chief publishing executive for the WaterBrook Press, Multnomah Books, Convergent Books, and Image Books portfolio of publishing imprints, I would like you to have some additional facts and perspective about our publication:

Why are we publishing God and the Gay Christian?

We can agree that the cultural battle over same-sex relationships and the Christian church is one of the defining issues of this generation. Convergent Books is publishing God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vines because we believe it offers a thoughtful examination of Scripture on the topic of same-sex relationships from a bold, young, evangelical writer whose first calling is to promote a civil, loving, and biblically based conversation on the subject.

Who is Convergent Books, and what is its relationship to WaterBrook Press and Multnomah Books? 

Convergent Books is a relatively new imprint that is one of the Crown Publishing Group’s religious publishing lines. WaterBrook Press and Multnomah Books are sister imprints of Convergent Books, within the Crown Group, as is Image Books, a Catholic-interest imprint, all four of which I oversee.

It is important to know that WaterBrook, Multnomah, Convergent, and Image each have their own distinct editorial guidelines and missions. Convergent’s mission is to publish nonfiction for less traditional Christians and spiritual seekers who are drawn to an open, inclusive, and culturally engaged exploration of faith. As such, Matthew Vines’ new book is appropriately positioned as a Convergent publication.  God and the Gay Christian is not published by WaterBrook or by Multnomah—nor would it be editorially appropriate for either.

Is God and the Gay Christian a “secret” publication?

It has been suggested that my colleagues and I are trying to engineer a “secret” publication of Matthew’s book, and sneak it into the marketplace. Completely untrue. At no time have we tried to keep the book’s content secret from any booksellers, media, or prospective readers. In fact, we sent out some 800 advance-reader copies of the complete text nationwide to build prepublication awareness of the title. We have extensive marketing and publicity campaigns in place, with which we hope to reach the widest possible readership.

Has our organization’s staff been silenced about Matthew’s book?

A published report raised the question of whether my colleagues have been pressured to not express privately or publicly any objections they might have to the Convergent publication of God and the Gay Christian. This allegation is as untrue as it is deeply offensive to me.

Upon making the final decision to publish Matthew’s book as a Convergent title, I met with our entire staff, in small groups, to discuss it—and to emphasize to everyone my longstanding policy: No colleague of ours is ever expected to work on any book we acquire that violates their personal beliefs. Indeed, I did have a few staff members who came to me for further private discussion, and asked to opt out of working on this title. We have honored their request with the greatest respect.  We will continue to pursue this collaborative respectful approach with all future books we publish.

Join the Conversation.

Matthew Vines_photoIn God and the Gay Christian, Matthew Vines makes an argument in support of same-sex relationships, following his careful study of the six passages of Scripture at the center of the debate. Whether a reader agrees or disagrees with Matthew’s conclusions, we believe his ideas contribute to a dialogue the Church faces today; and, as his publisher, we welcome the opportunity for him to further that conversation with a book we are pleased to publish.

Join Matthew Vines for a Livestream conversation about God and the Gay Christian on Tuesday, April 22 at 1:00 pm ET.  http://www.ConvergentBooks.com/webcast

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Stephen W. Cobb
Chief Publishing Executive
WaterBrook Press, Multnomah Books, Convergent Books, Image Books

4/16/14

 


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  1. To whomever wrote this,

    Please don’t take this personally as I know you’re just doing your job. I do, however, ask you to search your conscience and prayerfully consider your involvement in this decidedly un-Biblical charade. This statement creates more questions than it answers and is only serving to dig the hole deeper.

    Mr. Cobb’s entire statement is built upon the classical straw man argument – a logical fallacy of last resort. It fails to address any of the issues and concerns I hit on in my article and completely changes the subject. That said, it does seem to be in perfect keeping with the deceptive tactics employed by WaterBrook Multnomah to this point.

    This phrase for instance:

    “It has been suggested that my colleagues and I are trying to engineer a “secret” publication of Matthew’s book, and sneak it into the marketplace. Completely untrue. At no time have we tried to keep the book’s content secret from any booksellers, media, or prospective readers. In fact, we sent out some 800 advance-reader copies of the complete text nationwide to build prepublication awareness of the title. We have extensive marketing and publicity campaigns in place, with which we hope to reach the widest possible readership.”

    I never said, wrote nor in any way suggested that Mr. Cobb or anyone else was trying to “engineer a secret publication,” “sneak it into the marketplace,” or “keep the book’s content secret” and it strains credulity to imply that I did. Again, this statement is layering deception upon deception. I simply divulged in my article that certain insiders had alerted me to the fact that Mr. Cobb was using deceptive tactics to hide the now established reality that Convergent and WaterBrook Multnomah are, for all intents and purposes, one and the same – that Convergent is effectively WaterBrook Multnomah by another name. Note that Mr. Cobb did not address concerns over WaterBrook Multnomah and Convergent having the same staff, location, offices, printers, ink, etc.

    Or this: “Convergent’s mission is to publish nonfiction for less traditional Christians…”

    “Less traditional Christians”? I think the term you’re looking for is “apostate.”

    I’m absolutely speechless and it takes quite some doing to accomplish that.

    I humbly suggest a different approach: Confess, repent, ask forgiveness and move on.

    Blessings,

    Matt Barber

    • Matt,
      I definitely agree with you and am glad that you thoughtfully but courageously responded. This book that promotes a sexual orientation that God hates should never be printed. May God move on the hearts of the publishers since there is still time before its public release. We should not promote anything that brings grief to God and arouses His just anger. Thank you again and God bless you! Richard

  2. You say of this book that it is “a thoughtful examination of Scripture on the topic of same-sex relationships from a bold, young, evangelical writer.”

    “Evangelical?” So, now we’ve redefined this word too? His teaching is any, BUT evangelical. It is blasphemous. In the future, I will make sure to not purchase any books from Multnomah or any of its imprints. You sold your souls for filthy lucre.

    • Jeff, thank you for writing this response to this blasphemous book. Anything that twists Scripture and promotes a wicked and perverse lifestyle and activity is offensive to our Holy God. It is sad that a formerly-Evangelical publishing company would dare to handle such a book. It would be understandable if it came from a secular and immoral publisher from San Francisco–but a publisher that used to be considered Evangelical? Thank you again and may God bless you! Richard

  3. Mr. Barber,

    This issue of the publisher being accused of trying to sneak the book onto the market is really beside the point. You didn’t make such an accusation, it is true; However, without having read all of the publisher’s correspondence you can’t know that someone else didn’t.
    As for your actual concerns, as stated in the One News Now editorial, the response given here answers them completely. So you have no basis for accusing the publishers of engaging in deception.
    It seems your real problem is revealed when you equate “less traditional Christians” with “apostates.” Apostates are those who’ve left a religion. Thus Christian apostates are former Christians, not Christians whose views on theology and hermeneutics differ from your own. Your real problem is that you don’t get to dictate who is and isn’t a Christian. You need to get over yourself. Asap

  4. Mr. Allen,

    Your problem with Multnomah is much the same as Matt Barber’s:

    They dare to serve Christians who view Christianity differently than you do. Boo hoo.

    • David:
      No. The problem is that Multnomah presents themselves as an Evangelical publisher, which they no longer are. They attempt to get around this by saying that their new imprint, “CONVERGENT BOOKS”, is a separate company. This is only sleight of hand. Both are owned by same parent company. What difference does it make if you have to enter the building in the front or side door? Is it not still the same organization?

      Better to be honest and say, “We no longer desire to be foundational evangelicals and now will be publishing ‘ open, inclusive, and culturally engaged’ books. (Whatever that means)

      That would be honest. But since they chose to be dishonest, the entire organization and their publications, all of them are now suspect.

      They have the right to run their business as they see fit. We have the right to never buy their books again.

  5. The problem here is not traditional or progressive, the problem with this book and the publishers is that there is no foundation to truth. You start justifying living in sin then you have no basis on what sin is. How do you stop the polygamist from justifying his sin all in the name of love, how do you stop the woman who’s a professing Christian from marrying her dog in the name of love. How do you stop the siblings from marrying each other all in the name of love and not to mention what nambla movement is doing all in the name of love. I’m sure my stance is old and beaten cause you’ve heard it so many times, but i feel the same way about this gay agenda, old beaten and most importantly, dangerous. My deepest concern hear is that we have adopted the world’s definition of love and ignored God’s definition. Let’s go back to the basic measuring stick, if the world applauds what you are Doing, you should question it. Remember, Jesus said “I did not come to bring peace but a sword”, he warned us we would be hated for his name’s sake. I had 2 gay brothers so I know first hand the consequences of this sin. One died of AIDS and the other gave his life to God and is happily married and serving at his local church. These voices are shut down though because they are not popular, but if we serve the same God why aren’t we bild in our unpopular stance? I’ll leave you with this, if we can’t recognize the devil unless he’s showing us his horns, we’re in trouble. May our Heavenly Father be with you all

    • Josh, as you say, it would seem that professing “Christians” are being sucked into the world system and acting like the world, thus they promote such things as sodomy, abortion, divorce and adultery, and many other sins that offend the heart of God.

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  7. Hi David,

    I don’t think you understand their position, to be frank. They don’t decide who is a Christian or not, but God does.

    In 1 Corinthians 6, Paul writes this.

    “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

    It is important that we not wholly focus on the issue of homosexuality, as all people who practice these things without repentance will not inherit the kingdom of God. Yet, as this issue is at the forefront of the conversation, and this is clearly one of the several prohibitions against homosexuality. In this context spoken against with regards to males in particular. The Greek word ἀρσενοκοίτης, is a word with two roots in the Greek word for man and the Greek word for bed. Now, context is king in determining the meaning of this language and this word is always used in a negative sense to denote same-sex relations of two men in a bed together.

    Now, when people try and twist these words to change their meaning and call evil good and claim that they represent Christ, what are we to do?

    Should we kill truth in the streets for the sake of peace, and cave into pressure to compromise on the clear teachings of Scripture?

    I think you sir, fail to see the implications of what this man Matthew Vines is teaching, it’s not that Christians are bigoted people. We are Biblical people, and while we are called to love people like Matthew, we can not in good faith regard him as a brother in the Lord as he is living in unrepentant sin and defending it by twisting the Scripture.

    Now I will end with this.

    “And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

    God doesn’t simply say, “to hell with homosexuals,” but rather sent his Son to die for their sins and mine. To wash, sanctify and conform them to the image of his Son, Jesus to be a part of the New Creation, to be truly human.

    God longs for everyone to be saved, but when we live in an openly sinful lifestyle and claim to follow him, we betray his clear teaching on the matter.

    The question really is, shall we refuse God to please men? Or shall we honor God, to seek the reconciliation of men?

    Kind Regards,
    TrueScotsman

    • Truescotsman, I offer a hearty Amen to all you have written so eloquently. May God bless you for your response. May God bring its truth to bear on all of our hearts. We must point out that an unrepentant sodomite will suffer the wrath of God–but God loves him and Jesus died for him. The words of Paul at 1 Corinthians 6:11 are reassuring to any willing to repent.

    • As much as I can see where you’re coming from, I would like to remind everyone in this thread of the key thing that separates Christianity from the likes of other religions.

      Ephesians 2:8
      “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God”

      It is by our faith, and not by our actions, that we are to be judged by God.

      Romans 10:9
      “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

      It’s just as easy to quote from other parts of the Bible that dispute Corinthians, but at the end of the day, when we cut back all the extras, being a Christian is fundamentally about accepting Christ as your Lord and saviour, not about the people you choose to love and how you express that love.

      On a side note, what makes you so perfect?

      James 2:10
      “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it”

      Are we not all guilty of original sin at a minimum and further sins throughout our lives?

      According to God’s own word, homosexuals are no more guilty of sin than you are, and they, like you may only receive salvation through God’s grace.

      If you disagree with this authors interpretation of the scriptures, I invite you to write your own book with yours, or better yet, simply let people read the Bible and talk to God to form their own conclusions.

      Ultimately, any true Christian will feel God’s true message when, to quote Hebrews, he “writes it on their hearts”.

    • “The Greek word ἀρσενοκοίτης, is a word with two roots in the Greek word for man and the Greek word for bed. Now, context is king in determining the meaning of this language and this word is always used in a negative sense to denote same-sex relations of two men in a bed together.”

      I could stipulate to all that (FYI: I don’t) and still deny that it refers to homosexuals.

      Homosexuals—gay men and lesbians—have a ***homosexual orientation***: immutable (it is! “Reparative therapy” is a SCAM) and, in Christian context, God-given.

      If the Bible doesn’t address homosexual orientation, it doesn’t address homosexuality. Period.

      …however, it DOES have a lot to say about love, including spousal love. Gay people can learn how to have Biblical values in their marriages, just as heterosexuals can learn to have them, too.

      I look forward to reading this book, and thank the publishers for their courage and *Christian faith* in publishing it.

    • TrueScotsman,

      I’m sorry, but the one who is laboring under a misunderstanding is you.

      I never said that Convergent Books decides who is or isn’t a good Christian. I DON’T CARE what constitutes a good Christian. I am likewise disinterested in the argument between Orthodox and Reform Judaism as to what a true Jew is.

      Barber believes — as apparently so do you — that anyone calling himself a Christian is doing so falsely if he disagrees with Barber’s (and yours) interpretation of the Bible. My point, bluntly, is this is nonsense. No Christian sect can declare itself the owner of the religion by virtue of its views on such matters. Thus it isn’t for Roman Catholics to declare that Quakers aren’t Christians because of different views on homosexuality any more than Roman Catholics should declare Lutheran Protestants to be non-Christians because of different views on divorce. Surely all you different flavors of Christians can have your disagreements without hurling the label ‘apostate’ at one another? Or are you all as nasty as Richard Dawkins thinks?

  8. Thank you for the facts and perspectives Mr. Cobb.

    I think that the main question that people have is: how can one publishing company produce books that contradict each other or hold such disparate points of views without being hypocritical or self-contradictory?

    To me, this seems to be a bit of a non-issue. Publishers don’t write books. Authors write books, publishers select, refine, and distribute those books. They serve communities of readers who are interested in the exchange of long form ideas or stories that books are best suited for. In the end, however, publishers aren’t producing the original ideas found within the books.

    It does not seem hypocritical or inconsistent to me that one company would be able to understand the ideas and voices within disparate communities and serve those communities by publishing those ideas. Separating your company into various imprints seems to be a logical way to serve the different groups that you work with while still respecting the differences in values between the communities. To me, creating a space for voices like Mr. Vines to speak shows a commitment to intellectual honesty and a respect for people that is admirable.

    Whether or not Mr. Vine’s ideas have merit is an entirely different issue. We can’t, however, evaluate those ideas unless he is allowed to speak, which is something that Mr. Barber & Co. seek to prevent. But this is nothing new, people of his ilk have been banning (and burning) books for a long time. The only thing you can do is to just keep printing.

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  10. Let’s remember that, in the minds of many self-proclaiming Christians, that “deception” is not deception IF we decide the ends justify the means; then it is not only okay, it is a loving thing. We can even rationalize it and glorify this as “being radically inclusive” or “missional.” “Evangelical” intentionally loses its meaning (and can even become a mockery) if we start widening the circle and label more and more people as “evangelicals.” Now we don’t have to worry about “divorce” because we can relabel it as “consciously uncoupling.” “Male” and “female”? There is no longer two choices, or three, or … We all need to be “Pansexual” in over views and/or we are all really “Intersexual.”

    I hope it is not lost on anyone how this all started, “Did God really say …” From that assault on God’s Word, the doubting of absolute truth and the sufficiency of God, His Word, and the truth, etc … we can now just redefine anything because we don’t have an absolute, objective, unchanging authority and standard “holding us back.” Which group is more likely to agree with, if not be excited about not being hindered by absolute, eternal, objective truth, conservatives or liberals/progressives/emergents?

    What is the common response to this reality? Some variation of: “You are a Hater … Pharisee … homophobe … Fundie … etc” and “I judge and condemn you for making a judgment …” rather than reasoning according to the written Word of God. Again, these are all seen as a good and loving thing to do. You cannot reason with that.

  11. All sin is headed for the garbage heap and then the furnace. People who love their sins are “married” to them and will share that fate. A true Christian doesn’t cling to sin, we cling to the cross of Jesus Christ and let our natural selves die there. So that even the temptation to sin dies with us. Then our Heavenly Father brings a new person to life from the ashes of the old. “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation[from sin] to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.” Romans 1:16

  12. I think Convergent has the right to publish whatever they want. This is a division of Crown, not Waterbook Multnomah. The Waterbrook Multnomah website describe themselves as a publisher that provides resources that can be trusted to be spiritually sound. Convergent is different.

    I support free speech and good for Matthew Vine for finding a publisher. He may be bold and he may be an excellent writer but he is wrong on this issue and if an evangelical is a person devoted to following Jesus and yielding to him in all things then I would suggest the team at Crown not insult the evangelical community with the bold evangelical label.

    • Brian Doyle,

      Your comment suffers the same flaw as Barber’s editorial: The assumption that your own views define the religion.

      “if an evangelical is a person devoted to following Jesus and yielding to him in all things”

      Taking that as the definition does not require anyone to accept your particular understanding of hermeneutics and theology, now does it?

      What is it with ‘conservative’ Christians that makes them so prideful?

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  14. The danger is that so many well-meaning, self-identifying Christians are woefully unfamiliar with Christian doctrine and with God’s purposes for His commands. They will be easy prey for charlatans who will use Convergent’s efforts to market this book as proof that Christ endorses homosexuality (a practice which is dangerous in all its aspects: spiritually, morally, psychologically, and physically–that’s why God forbids it!) Blessings to all this Resurrection Weekend.

    • “homosexuality (a practice which is dangerous in all its aspects: spiritually, morally, psychologically, and physically’

      Okay, Mr. Kleine, now that you’ve made assertions of FACT, rather than just stating opinions, perhaps you’ll offer some EVIDENCE?

      These comments are supposedly moderated. How does such an unjustified assertion make it pass a moderator?

  15. Why are people trying to prevent publication of a book just because it has ideas in it that they don’t agree with?
    They can just avoid buying it (and advise that others do the same).

    There seems to be a basic misunderstanding of human nature here: the more fuss you make about banning a book, the more people will want to read it… particularly those in the younger generations. (Thanks for the free publicity, brother evangelicals!)

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  18. In each clobber passage, the context is men who are married to women engaged in adultery–these are not LGBT people.

    Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 both include the phrase “as with a woman” indicating the men who are lying with each other are MARRIED to WOMEN. This is why the penalty for adultery with a man (Leviticus 20:13) is the same as the penalty for adultery with a women (Leviticus 20:10). But how we would apply these passages to a boy being molested by a priest? Or a heterosexual man who was raped by another heterosexual man in prison? Leviticus 20:13 says both men should be put to death, yet do we honestly believe God intended this to apply to innocent victims of rape or clergy sex abuse….or was it confined only to that which violates the 10 Commandment: “You shall not commit adultery”

    Romans 1:27 likewise says the men “turned from” relations with women. But only men who HAD relations with women can “turn from” them. If they had relations with women, Paul considered them to be MARRIED (1 Corinthians 6:16). So the men and women were engaged in adultery in order to worship Roman mythological gods represented by birds, beasts and reptiles (Romans 1:23). We see similar worship practices in Acts 14 when Paul and Barnabas are mistaken for Zeus and Hermes. A Google search on “symbols of Roman gods” reveals that indeed each god and goddess was represented by either a bird, a beast, or a reptile.

    Finally 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 addressed a priest who was molesting boys in his congregation. The context of the details are provided beginning in 1 Corinthians 5:1 as an “impurity of a sort not even the heathen engage in it, for a man has his own father’s wife.” At first glance, this appears to be man/mother incest (which would be heterosexual), but that practice was so common among the heathen that Moses addressed it in Leviticus 18:7-8.

    Further, we see from 1 Corinthians 5:13 that only 1 person is expelled from the Church for what 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 lists out, yet nobody can “participate in homosexuality” all by themselves.

    While Matthew Vines disappointingly do not make all these observations, it is without question the context of the clobber passages have nothing to do with LGBT people or same sex marriage.

    On the other hand, Jesus taught LGBT people are born naturally from our mother’s womb in Mattthew 19:12, as he delineates 3 types of eunuchs:

    celibates

    castrated men

    and BORN eunuchs.

    Jesus exempts all 3 types from hetero marriage.

    If Born Eunuchs are not celibate, nor castrated, nor entering into heterosexual marriage, that means BORN EUNUCHS must include LGBT people.

    And after 1 Corinthians 6, the Apostle Paul goes on to ordain single gender marriage for these folks in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 (as part of the very same letter). And Paul goes on to recognize same sex divorce in 1 Corinthians 7:15 as he indicates that sometimes when a man leaves a marriage, it is a man who remains. And then the Holy Spirit comes along in 1 Timothy 4:1-3 with a warning to Christians to not forbid people to marry, saying that those who do have “fallen away from the faith, have been seduced by deluding spirits and doctrines that demons teach.”

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  20. Here, here! So excited about what Convergent Books is doing. These books are published for Christians like me, who are trying to inject some compassion and social justice into our faith.

    I can’t wait to read Matthew’s book, and the rest of the Convergent list, for that matter. (Currently halfway through Addie Zierman’s memoir and loving it.)

    Keep up the good work, Convergent folks. There are people out here who appreciate what you’re doing.

  21. The problem is thinking that putting this book under a different imprint somehow makes this ok. Sure, it’s ok from a freedom of speech/freedom of commerce point of view. I don’t think anyone is arguing that. But the fact is that in publishing anything remotely Christian/spiritual marketing them under different rubrics for different rubes, means at the end of the day, you don’t believe in anything but mammon. And Convergent is just the Trademark for “We have no problem giving away the store”. You may have different “imprints” but these imprints are just different Cities of the Plain. Not being Sodom or Gomorrah didn’t spare them from being destroyed by fire.

    Maybe Multnomah could take some comfort that Zoar wasn’t destroyed…..but when the smoke cleared, Lot didn’t want to hang around there either.

    Note that this isn’t an indictment of the positions of the other imprints, per se (so I”m not calling the Catholic imprint the same as Convergetn). But it is an indictment of the concept of the Pantheon where it doesn’t matter (to Crown at least) what your particular brand of belief is.
    David Douglas

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  23. I find your explanation a little disingenuous. You both affirm Vines scholarship, but then make it clear that there is somehow distance from Waterbook / Multnomah. You either believe “it offers a thoughtful examination of Scripture on the topic of same-sex relationships” or, you don’t, but you cannot have it both ways. Personally, I don’t agree that it offers a thoughtful examination of scripture at all. It offers a liberal, and culturally informed, poor treatment of scripture and Christian doctrine.

  24. I for one am glad this has been published. Let different views be heard, let people read them, ask questions and make up their own minds on the subject. The only people to fear anything are those who don’t want to think.

  25. You can dress up a pig to look pretty, but it is still a pig.You can also dress up garbage, spray it with good smelling stuff but it is still garbage and still stinks like garbage and that is exactly what this book is GARBAGE. It is so sad that a publisher would even publish it, but even worse that there are churches giving him the pulpit to spew his garbage. Sin is still sin and always will be no matter how we try to make it look pretty. Sad sad sad the downward spiral our nation has gone and at such a rapid pace. May God have mercy on our nation. Yes we absoultely have to love all sinners but we do not uphold their UNGODLY ways. Eyes on the skies, he’s coming soon !!

  26. Whether you agree or not, it doesn’t matter, This is the future. Books like these are groundbreaking at a faster speed then I would have believed 10 years ago. In the not too distant future, same sex marriage will be quite common, perhaps in all of the USA. We, and especially our children and grandchildren, will have gay friends that are married. We will experience them as normal family-members, friends, work-mates, and neighbors. Some will be or want to become Christians and will attend our churches… and maybe want to join. There will be plenty of congregations (also evangelical) that will welcome them. Doctrinal adjustments will be made. (New groups won’t be marrying dogs as suggested.) Think how scandalous divorce/remarriage (living in sin) was in times past. But for our generation, it is no big deal. Some who read this are divorced/remarried themselves. It will be the same in the near future with gays, especially for the next generation, after we over 50 are dead and buried.

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